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[仿真讨论] 国内第一块公开展示的25G高速背板!

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       小道消息,兴森科技(股票代码:002436)即将在3月份CPCA期间展示自主研发的25G高速背板,硬件方案选型--PCB设计--仿真--制造--测试全部由兴森自己完成。
* e, x% a8 }8 W" M& x3 i       去年的CPCA他们展示了25G测试板(在论坛里搜),这次展示的是成品板了。众所周知,在信号速率达到25G时,很多10G信号时的模型建模、仿真方式、测试手段都得推倒重来,连铜箔粗糙度都得关注。据他们讲,对于25G的速率,由于仿真和实测之间的差距太大,仿真的准确性和可靠性已无法保证,在损耗和串扰这些指标上,仿真基本束手无策,真实的性能只能通过实测来获得。据说他们还能用探针台提取板子上整个通道的模型。。。。% P* Q! P$ r! N' ]
       当前以太网速率逐步跨入100G,25G背板是众多通信厂商必须跨越的一道坎,比如像思科这样的厂商甚至已发布了100G的路由器和交换机。相信这次的展示,将会让更多关心这一速率的人了解到其中涉及的难点和挑战,同时也会给业界众多预研25G背板的厂商提供实际参考和借鉴。# w% [' y- i8 J- H9 z, f4 _
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25G背板全貌,完整27寸通道性能演示:
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" h& X/ }8 F. p( z20英寸最长通道:
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6 b6 L- D+ D# \) r4 n9 U" g8 @% [据说数万人民币的探针:) O% G+ a8 k. y1 F

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1 o8 E9 ^. ?0 T1 l, t, Z这应该是国内目前最顶级的探针台了,这玩意可以很方便地提取整个通道的S参数,搭配67G的矢量网分,真是天合之作。和巨大的探针设备相比,背板显得好渺小:# {2 O) }3 @8 {2 M6 V4 y2 V
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25G高速无源通道的设计挑战https://www.eda365.com/thread-58554-1-2.html
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眼图测试结果请在后续楼层中寻找,38楼有Stupid版主的补充 。。。。4 B' m7 B) g  O0 i. A

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本帖最后由 stupid 于 2012-2-23 10:59 编辑 $ R$ ^% v4 P2 m1 H3 }

, k) ~! ]8 B3 d  U/ @Avago Technologies and Texas Instruments are among the companies at DesignCon this week with new components to drive boards and cables to higher data rates over longer distances for less power and cost. They and their competitors are gearing up to enable a next-generation of systems using 100 Gbit/s Ethernet and 10+ Gbit/s interfaces.
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Avago is announcing a 25 Gbit/s serdes that can support transmissions across more than a meter of a backplane and up to five meters of copper cables. It will also demonstrate a 32 Gbit/s chip, likely aimed at next-generation Fibre Channel storage networks.5 D. n* G, g* V, n4 T

5 h" g" P5 ?! B) X. uCEI-25G LR 不过才27“,Avago你也太牛啦。, W! d9 W; O: D
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Texas Instruments is rolling out a line of ten 12.5 Gbit/s signal conditioners that drive signals across copper cables over distances of up to 20 meters. The components aim to replace larger, more expensive and power hungry physical layer chips.
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密度够高,但能否替代Phy 还要观察
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' H  ]9 ?5 y. i, ^* U, j+ [Both companies are using the latest process technologies and signal integrity techniques to hit new milestones. They join an industry focused on responding to the need to carry ever more data over networks while keeping a lid on power and cost./ h$ l2 D; w+ b8 [
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Many of the chip, board and cable companies at DesignCon aim to enable 100G Ethernet products that use four lanes running at 25 Gbits/s. The products set to ship late this year will provide reductions in cost, size and power compared to today’s 100GE systems that use ten 10 Gbit/s lanes.7 a6 d# X3 d( j
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去年的DesignCon,就avago展出30Gbps SerDes,NS展出28Gbps retimer,今年好热闹。; J* a6 a* L* \7 w+ a  t
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“The adoption of 100GE is happening much quicker than we anticipated with the rise of things like LTE networks and iPads,” said Sanjay Gajendra, a senior product manager at Texas Instruments. “We still believe mass production [of the next-gen Ethernet products] will be at the end of the year, but a few vendors will demo prototypes earlier,” he said.9 C$ L* _) |* W! N

$ K. L% h$ x$ J/ g- G9 V- n“The bandwidth needs of OEMs are going up incredibly every year,” said Frank Ostojic, general manager of Avago’s ASIC group. “25G will require a system level approach and coordinated work in a close partnership among the board, chip and package suppliers--it will be a kind of chip-set approach,” he said.$ t; W" ?' S6 V( Z% |& ~7 R- [- }
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Multiple networking and telecom companies are already designing ASICs that will tape out over the next several months with Avago’s long-reach 25G serdes. The chips comply with the latest 25G standards from the Optical Internetworking Forum and hit new lows in latency and power consumption, numbers that Avago is keeping under wraps.& X2 h8 q' b- P/ T+ |3 w/ @9 Z

* Q% M: Z4 r( r2 Q“You need 28 nm process technology to make this work,” said Ostojic.
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" [6 N7 |4 a( q; }/ x$ F2 }Avago’s 25G serdes, which will eventually appear in the company’s standard products, employ proprietary techniques in clocking and decision equalization feedback (DFE). Avago also is expected to demo a 100G kit that can be used to optimize designs with any vendor’s serdes including competitors such as IBM, LSI and STMicroelectronics.  |3 f+ Z- P9 q

( q' p% c% l/ vAvago,你也太狂啦。
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0 @: \) L! M6 Y6 R( U; WTI’s signal conditioning group, formerly part of National Semiconductor, is using DesignCon to launch a line of 12.5G repeaters and retimers, saving news of its planned 25G parts for later in the year.
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. }" s% q  e- I, eThe repeater chips consume as little as 65 milliwatts driving a 10G channel; the retimers consume about 150 milliwatts. They are meant to serve board, copper or optical cable applications across a range of protocols including Ethernet, Fibre Channel and Infiniband.
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TI的repeater功耗够低,使用bipolar工艺。
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TI uses a proprietary BiCMOS SiGe process to hit the low power figures. Algorithms on the chips measure signals and apply equalization as needed on the fly.7 U% y* u9 V* ?! R, o* |3 K8 Y1 b

; v9 B+ D% t; Z3 {& I% \) jThe company hopes its the signal conditioners will replace external physical-layer chips given ASICs are increasingly building in the serdes and protocol processing functions once handled by the PHYs.  OEMs can save up to 90 percent of the power and 75 percent of the board space used by the external PHYs by taking such an approach, said TI’s Gajendra.3 X( u/ l. C8 N+ ?( T' B$ F1 F9 U

# \: \1 s& t" `8 o0 T- MThe PHY makers such as Broadcom and Marvell are likely to offer their own twists on integrated chips and different value propositions. Gajendra said they are still likely to drive greater power consumption. 8 Z8 w8 K2 I4 K/ F: R) E! p/ C# x3 h, {
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TI must also compete with other repeater and retimer vendors such as Gennum. Both companies gave demos last year at DesignCon of 25G products in the works.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-2-20 11:14 | 只看该作者
继续。。。0 q/ a" W5 g* f
这个好像是研究STUB的?8 n" I" p2 O4 [: ?3 h- m. X
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这个也是和过孔相关的,没记住是干啥的:4 o/ H# U" h: E% ~( D
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; V% b" @7 j9 l% V8 u& u这个也忘了是什么了: {:soso_e127:} {:soso_e127:}
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0 o8 K+ f# k+ `/ J他们还设计了很多高端存储用的SAS阵列背板,没来得及拍,不过SAS背板只有6G速率,对他们来说没有任何难度,跟25G背板比起来,算是小菜了。+ B" f  a# k' J! K7 M1 A. V
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说得好,关注信号完整性是发展壮大的必经之路  发表于 2012-7-25 11:15

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发表于 2015-1-31 15:04 | 只看该作者
好像很高端的样子

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发表于 2015-2-2 13:54 | 只看该作者
好高大上
人生 ????????????????????????????

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NB贴,MARK下

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发表于 2015-2-1 16:47 | 只看该作者
25G,高,确实是高

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學習 看一下!

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看一下

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强悍学习了
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好强啊

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发表于 2012-12-6 11:03 | 只看该作者
25G,真的很强悍!

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请需要该规范的人到以下链接下载:
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( ~0 C* d3 n, fhttp://www.oiforum.com/public/documents/OIF_CEI_03.0.pdf

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CEI-25G-LR规范在哪下啊?在ieee802找了好久都没找到

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lidean 发表于 2012-9-29 10:35
: j) E; N- J# ^; L; p! b* _我很好奇,背板上两个像扇子一样的东西是什么转接板吗?
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, |/ a8 K' y* P射频探头板,模拟daughter card.不然怎么测试啊?这个速率下可不是说用探针顶到过孔就可以了,呵呵

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我很好奇,背板上两个像扇子一样的东西是什么转接板吗?

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